Comments on: We Have Reached a Tipping Point http://alvinreid.com/archives/505 equipping leaders in the coming generation to change the world Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:10:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Robert Campbell http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-17075 Robert Campbell Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:17 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-17075 I have read Dr. Reeds epistle, and found it very thought provoking. I do agree with him on most of what he says. I am 79 years of age, and realize that if .thie right changes do not take place very soon, the demise will continue. My prayer is that God will bring to the forefront men & women who can and will challenge all of us in a manner that will bring about change in our won lives that will help us make a difference. I have read Dr. Reeds epistle, and found it very thought provoking. I do agree with him on most of what he says. I am 79 years of age, and realize that if .thie right changes do not take place very soon, the demise will continue. My prayer is that God will bring to the forefront men & women who can and will challenge all of us in a manner that will bring about change in our won lives that will help us make a difference.

]]> By: Steve Schenewerk http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-16129 Steve Schenewerk Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:47:05 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-16129 Wow. As one over 50 (I'll turn 53 later this summer) and as one who has served almost my enitre ministry in the Northwest Baptist Convention- as an associate pastor from 1978-1981, and as a pastor of three small churchs since then (6 yeas, 4 years, and currently finishing my 18th year in the same church) I understand your frustration. I faithfully encourage my churches to give to the Cooperative Program and the offerings that we seem to take every few months. As I challenge folks to give I long for a clearer accountability about hwo the money is allocated. As the church commits evry year to support the CP, I wonder if the 68 % that we keep in the Northwest is really helping churches impact their communities. I attend our regional convention meetings, but simply cannot attend the natioanl meetings- distance, costs, time, all are excuses- but they are effective excuses for me. I was privileged to serve as a trustee at Southern Seminary form1993-2003 and learned a great deal about denominational politics during those years- more than I wanted to know. I guess, to try and bring a long response to a close, my deepest desire is that we as a denomination would acknowledge that church size is not the only indicator of making an impct for the kingdom, that cooperation with other believers is often the only strategy that makes sense (in the Northwest most of the towns are fortunate (?) to have one Southern Baptist Church...), and that transperancy and accountability are healthy- not just an irritation to be borne with some frustration. Keep up the good work- I heard you speak a little over a year ago in Lewiston NC at the first small church conference! Wow. As one over 50 (I’ll turn 53 later this summer) and as one who has served almost my enitre ministry in the Northwest Baptist Convention- as an associate pastor from 1978-1981, and as a pastor of three small churchs since then (6 yeas, 4 years, and currently finishing my 18th year in the same church) I understand your frustration. I faithfully encourage my churches to give to the Cooperative Program and the offerings that we seem to take every few months. As I challenge folks to give I long for a clearer accountability about hwo the money is allocated. As the church commits evry year to support the CP, I wonder if the 68 % that we keep in the Northwest is really helping churches impact their communities. I attend our regional convention meetings, but simply cannot attend the natioanl meetings- distance, costs, time, all are excuses- but they are effective excuses for me. I was privileged to serve as a trustee at Southern Seminary form1993-2003 and learned a great deal about denominational politics during those years- more than I wanted to know.
I guess, to try and bring a long response to a close, my deepest desire is that we as a denomination would acknowledge that church size is not the only indicator of making an impct for the kingdom, that cooperation with other believers is often the only strategy that makes sense (in the Northwest most of the towns are fortunate (?) to have one Southern Baptist Church…), and that transperancy and accountability are healthy- not just an irritation to be borne with some frustration.
Keep up the good work- I heard you speak a little over a year ago in Lewiston NC at the first small church conference!

]]> By: Mo Zeev http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-16110 Mo Zeev Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:16:02 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-16110 http://theresurgence.com/series/Pitfalls_in_Church_Planting Most churches double in size the weekend they move from being mobile to a more permanent building. ... with a permanent location, you have much more credibility with attendees ... you are trying to reach. ------------------------------------------------------------- Yet, in a meeting of CBA in Jackson, MI, they vote to sell a church building in Eaton Rapids that might have been given/sold to a local SBC church planter. The building sold for $75,000.00 $250.00/month ------------------------------------------------------------ The increased cost for churches remains LONG after the cooperative program dollars ... vanish! http://theresurgence.com/series/Pitfalls_in_Church_Planting

Most churches double in size the weekend they move from being mobile to a more permanent building.
… with a permanent location,
you have much more credibility with attendees … you are trying to reach.
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Yet, in a meeting of CBA in Jackson, MI, they vote to sell a church building in Eaton Rapids that might have been given/sold to a local SBC church planter.

The building sold for $75,000.00
$250.00/month
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The increased cost for churches remains LONG after the cooperative program dollars … vanish!

]]> By: Mo Zeev http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-16109 Mo Zeev Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:09:29 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-16109 Why have some of our most gifted leaders been ostracized by key leadership? Thrown overboard to make room for the pastor’s new best friend?

“Who among us would take money that should be given to our children, in order to give money to people that we do not know, so that they may spend our money on things we do not need?
-That is precisely what the preferred professionals in many Southern Baptist Churches are doing!

Yes, it is irresponsible. It is grevious misappropriation of OPM: other people’s money/contributions.
Equated with its abbreviation’s homonym (opium) in its narcotic power on people who forget it is an obligation that must be accounted for, and repaid in some way.

———————————————————— ” the challenge… is to try to build a relationship of trust
with people who are untrustworthy” – Newt?

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]]> By: James Galyon http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-16057 James Galyon Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:01:58 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-16057 Amen! Amen!

]]> By: Eric Thomas http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-15612 Eric Thomas Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:01:22 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-15612 Wow! My Dad commented on a blog... and first one out of the box! Rev. Dr. Reid -- I heartily concur with the sentiments you have expressed... but you knew that!!! Eric Wow! My Dad commented on a blog… and first one out of the box!

Rev. Dr. Reid — I heartily concur with the sentiments you have expressed… but you knew that!!!

Eric

]]> By: Keith Hudson http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-15595 Keith Hudson Sat, 04 Apr 2009 04:21:19 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-15595 Great post. The tipping point is at hand, the tide is shifting. The mission of God is beginning to take precedence in our churches . We mustn't turn back. Great post. The tipping point is at hand, the tide is shifting. The mission of God is beginning to take precedence in our churches . We mustn’t turn back.

]]> By: Jimmy Morton, Jr. http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-15580 Jimmy Morton, Jr. Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:27:04 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-15580 Dr. Reid,

\We Have Reached a Tipping Point\ is very perceptive. I appreciate your stance and teaching with regard to adhering to the truth of God’s Word and still being effective in modern methods of outreach. It is great to have professors at our SBC seminaries, like yourself, who hold fast to the inerrancy of Scriptures. Thank you!

]]> By: Brad Smith http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-15572 Brad Smith Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:42:03 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-15572 Doc, As usual, you are right on! Thanks for your passion and willingness to stand and say things that others won't. Doc,
As usual, you are right on! Thanks for your passion and willingness to stand and say things that others won’t.

]]> By: Jan Helgeson http://alvinreid.com/archives/505/comment-page-1#comment-15554 Jan Helgeson Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:00:01 +0000 http://alvinreid.com/archives/505#comment-15554 An excellent and articulate article! Now, what do we do? We must incorporate a strategy in order for it to work. Let's get involved. An excellent and articulate article! Now, what do we do? We must incorporate a strategy in order for it to work. Let’s get involved.

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